When Cwtch was named CAMRA's Champion Beer of Britain in August it marked a high point on the beer journeys of Gareth Williams and Bradley Cummings.
The pair discovered beer together, regularly catching the train to the Bunch of Grapes in Pontypridd to find beers before craft had become widely available in Wales.
Gareth can pinpoint the exact moment when he realised the full potential that beer had.
"For me it really hit home when I tried Brewdog's Punk IPA, it was on another level of tasty. I had never had anything like it before. It caught my eye and inspired us."
So much so that the brothers-in-law started to home-brew. Their creations evolved into Tiny Rebel, one of the freshest and most highly regarded breweries around.
"We wanted to bring more craft beer into Cardiff. South Wales was a desert for good beer."
The brewery name points to rebellion but the output of cask (around 70 per cent of their volume) and the fact that they have opened pubs, under the Urban Tap House name, suggests they are a tiny bit traditional as well.
Unlike the BrewDog team behind the Punk IPA that inspired them, the Tiny Rebel boys are not plotting global domination, but craft bars in both Cardiff and Newport is a steady start.
"Bars take up a lot of time and they are hard work but if you get it right it is worth it. If we opened a third right now we wouldn't even be able to supply it with beer," says Gareth.
"One to two was a big jump and to go to three to four to five you need the right infrastructure and experience in place to do that. The brewery has to grow as well."
And it is, with a new site secured, which should help it cater for the extra demand that was created by that Champion Beer of Britain win.
Naturally Cwtch sits alongside plenty of other Tiny Rebel brews on the bar but there is room for other breweries to be represented.
As Gareth explains: "The first thing we wanted to do was bring in other people's beer. We didn't want to just sell Tiny Rebel. We have a good mix which is now about 65/35 in favour of Tiny Rebel."
It's an inclusive way of doing things which is at the heart of the offer. For while the artwork, beers and industrial design is all very chic, the pub (we met in Newport) is also welcoming. It's the pub equivalent of listening to Lauren Laverne on the radio: knowing and cool but friendly at the same time. But then with Cwtch meaning
snuggling or somewhere to snuggle, it's what you would expect.
"We try to get away from the snobbery around beer," Gareth continues. "There's a lot of people that take it too seriously and they forget about the enjoyment of sitting down having a beer. We try to promote that relaxed style but the knowledge is there if they want it.
"The two bars have a certain atmosphere and that comes from the products that we sell. There's no mainstream lagers or shots. We can't put in big-ABV beers. They have to be accessible brands. I'm not talking Peroni, I mean breweries like Beavertown or Magic Rock. These are the ones people know."
And even that is a long way from the days when Gareth and Bradley were traipsing around Wales in search of a crafty pint.